Herb 160

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Features

HERB 160/180 Frame Platform

HERB 160 and 180 share the the same frame platform. They can be converted into each other by changing the rockers, the shock length remains the same. Effectively this converts your HERB 180 to a HERB 160 and vice versa. When changing the rocker not only the travel is changed, but also the geometry is adjusted appropriately and the suspension characteristics are changed a bit. The longer stroke version stays a bit more linear in the mid stroke, allowing the frame to deal better with medium hard impacts. At the end of stroke both systems get progressive but to a different degree. The 180 mm version is conceptioned more as a Freeride bike, while the 160 mm version is Enduro friendly. This means the 160 offers a maximum of suspension efficiency and feedback by using its limited travel in the best way. The 180 is optimized to handle really rough terrain providing DH bike alike performance in a package that can be pedaled up the hill easily.

Conversion Kit

 

Active Suspension Design

Linkage operated shock combined with a single pivot rear triangle. The linkage designs generates a linear beginning and mid stroke kinematics with progressive end of stroke ratio. This suspension characteristic is the optimum for excellent performance when not only suspension performance but also feedback from the bike counts. This characteristics gives you a better feeling for the bike and the ground, allowing to push through wobbles and to jump easily. We think the main suspension characteristics should be a result of the kinematics and not of the shock. Especially the air shock allows you to adjust the progression of the suspension system, but it can not be designed as freely as the kinematics of a linkage can. That´s why we believe kinematics should do the main job of defining suspension progression and the shock should be used to do the individual fine tune. Another important point is the pivot placement. Pivot palcement mainly affects two things, wheel path and climbing efficiency. Most hits on the rear wheel come from the bottom and from the front. Therefore it is desireable to have an upwards and rearwards wheel path. Generally this is difficult to achieve with any type of suspension design. Old school high pivot realize this quite well, but they are no option because of the pedal force inducing movements of the suspension. Our single pivot design, i. e. no additional pivot between the main pivot and the rear axle, provides a better wheel path than most other designs. The pivot placement – relatively high and before the bottom bracket – is crucial for that. This design results in a little extra weight, but increases the suspension performance noticeably. The exact placement of the main pivot is crucial for the climbing efficiency. We claim to have optimized that pretty well. Finally we believe that any additional pivot between the rear axle and the main pivot would reduce the stiffness of the frame and thus reduce it´s overall performance.

Active Suspension

 

Triple Dropouts

On this frame you can install three different rear axle Systems, all through axle systems. The standard version is 142×12 mm (compatible with X-12 standard wheels), the options are 150×12 mm through axlead 135×12 mm through axle,. To switch between the systems simply change the derailleur eye and the disc brake spacer. For the 150 mm option the disc brake spacer is removed. 150 mm rear wheels will give the bike additional stiffness by reducing the flex of the spokes.

Triple Dropouts

 

7000 series custom butted aluminum

The frame is designed without gussets because we use our very specially butted tube set. This design provides a clean look and supports the frame in highly stressed regions. Wall thickness on the rear triangle is specific for left and right side to handle brake and chain pull forces.

Kappa Surface

The surface of the welded and heat threated frame is ball burnished with balls of a specific size in order that the surface of the frame material is compressed. This compression leads to compression stress in the material. The compression stress changes the load factor Kappa, which leads to longer life of the frame structure.

C-Plus Bearings

Full complement bearings are used on all pivots. The additional balls provide a higher load capacity (C0 and Cdyn). The higher load capacity leads to greater stiffness and durability. To protect the bearings against corrosion, we decided to use stainless steel material. All bearings are cartridge type industrial grade bearings with two seals. Whenever possible the bearings are protected by the bolt heads and additional o-rings.

Frame Spec
Model
HERB 160 / 180 (V1.1)
frame platformHERB 160 and 180 share the the same frame platform. They can be converted into each other by changing the rockers. The shock length remains the same.
sizessmall (150 - 170 cm), medium (168-180 cm), large (178 -198 cm)
coloursblack anodized frame, red anodized linkage and hardware
material7005 aluminum, custom butted, heat threated and ball burnished for less fatigue
rear travel160 / 180 mm, by switching rockers
max. fork travel180 mm
shock eye to eye216 mm
air volume settinghigh volume options preferred, no volume spacers recommended
compatible shocks 1
HERB 160 /180
Rock Shox Monarch Plus RC3 / RC, medium compression tune recommended, newer shocks all have the same rebound tune, older shocks require low rebound tune
compatible shocks 2
HERB 160 /180
Rock Shox Monarch RC3 / RC, medium compression tune recommended, newer shocks all have the same rebound tune, older shocks require low rebound tune
compatible shocks 3
HERB 160 /180
BOS VipR
compatible shocks 4
exclusively in 180 configuration
Rock Shox Vivid Air R2C, medium compression tune recommended, no volume reduction
shock hardware, top47,8 x 8 mm
shock hardware, bottom22,2 x 8 mm
seat post size31,6 mm diameter
seat post clamp size34,9 mm diameter
adjustable seat post cable guidesfor external cable and stealth configuration, cable enters seat tube above the bottom bracket, which means easy to handle cable routing
bearingssealed cartige bearings, full complement bearings
bearing sizes15 x 28 x 7 mm
head tubetapered style, 44 mm top, 56 mm bottom, entirely CNC machined
head set sizesemi integrated, 44 mm top, 56 mm bottom
compatible tire sizes26" up to 2,5-2,7", depending on tire and rim combination
disc mount standardInternat. Standard, max. 203 mm rotor
bottom bracket standardBSA, 73 mm
chain device mountISCG old and 2005, flush with bb shell face
Hammerschmidt compatibleyes
front derailleurShimano top swing only, for example FDM-970-10
rear axle12 mm through axle, included
hub width142 mm standard, optional 135 and 150 mm with special derailleur eye and disc brake spacer
The information presented here is subject to change without notice.

 

Geometry

Size
S
M
L
 
 
S
M
L
offset bushingnonenonenone1 mm offset1 mm offset1 mm offset
example forkPike '14Pike '14Pike '14Pike '14Pike '14Pike '14
fork travel160 mm160 mm160 mm160 mm160 mm160 mm
fork + head set542 + 2 mm542 + 2 mm542 + 2 mm542 + 2 mm542 + 2 mm542 + 2 mm
top tube (reach)384 mm417 mm450 mm383 mm416 mm449 mm
top tube sloped505 mm536 mm567 mm505 mm536 mm567 mm
top tube horizontal569 mm601 mm637 mm570 mm602 mm638 mm
chain stay length426 mm426 mm426 mm426 mm426 mm426 mm
steering angle65,6°65,6°65,6°65,4°65,4°65,4°
seat angle (actual)70,1°70,1°70,1°69,9°69,9°69,9°
seat angle (effective)74°74°74°73,8°73,8°73,8°
head tube length130 mm130 mm140 mm130 mm130 mm140 mm
wheel base 1122 mm1154 mm1188 mm1123 mm1155 mm1189 mm
seat tube length428 mm428 mm490 mm428 mm428 mm490 mm
bottom bracket height11 mm11 mm11 mm9 mm9 mm9 mm
The information presented here is subject to change without notice.

If you intend to ride the HERB 160 with a Lyrik fork, see below for the resulting geometry.

Size
S
M
L
 
 
S
M
L
offset bushingnonenonenone1 mm offset1 mm offset1 mm offset
example forkLyrik '13/14Lyrik '13/14Lyrik '13/14Lyrik '13/14Lyrik '13/14Lyrik '13/14
fork travel160 mm160 mm160 mm160 mm160 mm160 mm
fork + head set545 + 2 mm545 + 2 mm545 + 2 mm545 + 2 mm545 + 2 mm545 + 2 mm
top tube (reach)383 mm416 mm449 mm382 mm415 mm448 mm
top tube sloped505 mm536 mm567 mm505 mm536 mm567 mm
top tube horizontal569 mm601 mm637 mm570 mm602 mm637 mm
chain stay length426 mm426 mm426 mm426 mm426 mm426 mm
steering angle65,5°65,5°65,5°65,3°65,3°65,3°
seat angle (actual)70°70°70°69,8°69,8°69,8°
seat angle (effective)73,9°73,9°73,9°73,7°73,7°73,7°
head tube length130 mm130 mm140 mm130 mm130 mm140 mm
wheel base1123 mm1155 mm1189 mm1124 mm1156 mm1189 mm
seat tube length428 mm428 mm490 mm428 mm428 mm428 mm
bottom bracket height12 mm12 mm12 mm10 mm10 mm10 mm
The information presented here is subject to change without notice.

Manuals

HERB 160/180 frames and bikes – User Guide – english and german (PDF-Document)

A full list of available manuals can be found here.

 

Press and Reviews

 

Bikesport 07-08/2013 (Germany) – HERB 160 FLOW (2013)

Read here what Bikesport writes about the HERB 160:

Translated:

“Simple Materpiece. … The single pivot design with rocker activated shock prooves all system-critics to be wrong – sensible, absorbing shocks gently and only very good riders can reach it´s limits. Not only in downhill lies it´s brilliance. … Enduro riding does not only mean descending, but also climbing up. This is something the LAST is at it´s best as well. The geometry combines agility and playfulness with a very high degree of safety and control.”

Conclusion: “A completely harmonious enduro with great details. Functionallity close to perfection and considering the good price – a clear winner bike.”

This is the original quote:

“Schlichtes Meisterstück. … Der abgestützte Eingelenk-Hinterbau straft alle Systemkritiker Lügen – sensibel, schluckfreudig und nur von sehr guten Fahrern an seine Limits zu bringen. Dabei brilliert er nicht nur im Downhill. … Endurofahren heißt eben nicht nur Runterballern, sondern auch Hochtreten. Und das kann das LAST ebenfalls bestens. Die Geometrie vereint Agilität und Verspieltheit mit einem sehr hohen Maß an Sicherheit und Kontrolle.”

Fazit: “Ein komplett stimmiges Enduro mit tollen Details. Funktionell nahezu perfekt und wenn man den sehr guten Preis berücksichtigt – ein klares Gewinnerbike.”

Our take on the test result:

With regard to the performance of the bike there is hardly anything to ad because Bikesport revealed in their test exactly what we claim. For this test Bikesport set a price limit for the bike on test. We are happy to see that our component choice was well balanced and allowed the bike to succed so well in the test. JF

The full test result can be downloaded here.

 

Mountainbike 08/2012 (Germany) – HERB 160 (2012) – very good / sehr gut

Read here what Mountainbike writes about the HERB 160:

Translated:

“The single pivot design with rocker activated shock blends well with the Lyrik fork up front, this creates a potent suspension system that animates to go fast.”

Conclusion: “The HERB 160 in not a featherweight, but it provides a potent 160-mm-travel-suppension, geometry that suits touring and mostly worthy parts.”

This is the original quote:

“Der abgestützte Eingelenker harmoniert prima mit der Lyrik an der Front, sorgt für ein potentes Fahrwerk, das zu hohen Geschwindigkeiten animiert.”

Fazit: “Das HERB 160 ist kein Leichtgewicht, bietet aber ein potentes 160-mm-Fahrwerk, tourentaugliche Geometrie und überwiegend wertige Parts.”

Our take on the test result:

“Very good” is always a nice to hear verdict that we appreciate, especially when noticing that most of the other test bikes were above 160 mm in travel and our´s stood up well, especially when going fast. JF

 

Freeride 01/2012 (Germany) – 9/10 Points

Read here what Freeride writes about the HERB 160:

Translated:

“- Speedy! The LAST rides like a go-kart! – pointer out one tester. In winding passages this guarantees pleasure with it´s agile handling. On the other hand the bike allows lot´s of speed through rough passages, because it has – other than a go-kart – a well-set suspension.”

Conclusion: “The LAST is one of the true freeriders in this test field. The potent suspension system gives it sufficient comfort, although it is agile thanks to it´s compactness.”

This is the original quote:

” – Flink! Das LAST fährt wie ein Gokart! – brachte es ein Tester auf den Punkt. Das garantiert in kurvigen Passagen viel Fahrspaß durch ein agiles Handling, lässt andererseits aber auch viel Speed in Blockerpassagen zu, denn im Gegensatz zu einem Gokart ist das kompakte LAST schließlich mit einem satten Fahrwerk ausgestattet.”

Fazit: “Das LAST zählt zu den wahren Freeridern im Test. Sein potentes Fahrwerk verleiht ihm ausreichend Fahrkomfort, dennoch ist es wendig dank einer kompakten Bauweise.”

Our take on the test result:

The test in Freeride shows again what results from good suspension together with a good geometry: playfullness and agility. The test was back in 2012 with a 2012 model. Our 2014 completes have slimmed down quite a lot, but kept the good suspension and geometry. JF

 

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